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Mistakes and Missteps: The Hidden Lessons in Therapy. A conversation with Julie and Philippa.
October 23, 2026 · 1 hr 5 minPhilippa Kelly and Julie McCann continue their discussion on “mistakes” in therapeutic work, exploring how errors feel, whether to acknowledge them, and how clients, families, and colleagues perceive them. They consider conflicts between…
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October 16, 2026 · 54 minIn this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host interviews Georgie, a children’s occupational therapist from Little Peaks OT, about her move from NHS roles into independent practice to address a gap in sensory processing support…
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Unlocking Empathy: Play as a Catalyst in Therapy and Social Work. With Pete Ayling
October 9, 2026 · 1 hr 6 minJulie interviews play therapist and social work lecturer Pete Ayling about how playfulness supports understanding, empathy, and perspective-taking for children and adults. Pete describes his roles teaching social work students, supervising…
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Pathways to Recovery: Lee Smith on Reforming Children's Mental Health
October 2, 2026 · 56 minPhilippa interviews Lee Smith, a mental health nurse with 30 years’ experience in Tier 4 inpatient children’s services, whose NHS roles included ward management, clinical specialist and consultant posts. Lee describes entering nursing via…
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Beyond the Behavior: Understanding Trauma with Compassion. Dr Lisa Cherry
September 25, 2026 · 53 minIn this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, host Philippa interviews Dr. Lisa Cherry—author, speaker, researcher, and consultant—about trauma, adversity, attachment, and compassionate responses to behavior. Cherry shares how her…
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From Blunders to Breakthroughs: Pondering Professional Missteps, with Julie and Philippa
September 18, 2026 · 45 minIn this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, the hosts discuss how “mistakes” in therapeutic work never fully go away and are better understood as learning opportunities. They reflect on recent examples of making unhelpful assumptions in…
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From Aggression to Expression: A Play Therapist's Journey. A conversation with Jeanne McLaughlin
September 11, 2026 · 1 hr 8 minHost Julie interviews Glasgow-based play therapist and With Kids trainer Jeanne McLaughlin about children’s play involving death, dying, and violent themes, based on McLaughlin’s workshop “How to Die Well in the Playroom.” McLaughlin…
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Unlocking the Sandbox: Therapy Through Play. A conversation with Margot Sunderland.
September 4, 2026 · 45 minMargot Sunderland joins Philippa in this weeks episode of Pondering Play and Theraplay. The conversation explores how “burying” in sandplay can mean different things, from hiding feelings to gaining control, and emphasizes therapist…
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EP77 Therapeutic Journeys: Q&A with Listener Becky Webb
July 24, 2026 · 1 hr 3 minPhilippa and Julie close the UK summer term with a Q&A episode featuring listener and play therapist Becky Webb, who shares her career path and asks about working therapeutically during family transitions and around bereavement. They…
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EP76 Gardens & Guidance: Finding Joy in Play Therapy; with Simon Kerr-Edwards
July 17, 2026 · 1 hr 3 minJulie hosts Simon Kerr-Edwards on Pondering Play and Therapy to discuss clinical supervision for therapists and school staff, plus Simon’s parent consultations. Simon, a Buckinghamshire-based practitioner, describes training first as a…
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EP75 Behind the Lines: EMDR Therapy in Action; A Conversation with Matt Wesson
July 10, 2026 · 58 minIn this episode of Pondering Play and Therapy, Philippa interviews Matt Wesson, former president of EMDR Association UK, EMDR Europe senior accredited trainer/consultant, and BABCP-accredited CBT therapist with 30 years’ mental health…
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EP74 From Photocopiers to Pandemics - Managing Interruptions
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About the show
In a world where play can be seen as frivolous or unnecessary, Julie and Philippa set out to explore its importance in our everyday lives.Pondering play and therapy, both separately but also the inter-connectedness that play can in its own right be the very therapy we need. Julie and Philippa have many years of experience playing, both in their extensive professional careers and their personal lives. They will share, ponder, and discuss their experiences along the way in the hope that this might invite others to join in playfulness.