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Two Plus Two: The Swinger Podcast for Couples

by Zack and Josie
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About the show

Two Plus Two is a space for the conversations most couples aren’t having… but probably should be. Zack and Josie explore connection, intimacy, and relationships through honest, vulnerable discussions. Through their own reflections and conversations with their guests, they inspire listeners to strengthen their relationships and discover new perspectives on communication, trust, and fulfillment—embracing the idea that deeper connection comes from the conversations most people avoid.

Latest episodes

  • Ep 79: Do Women Want It as Much as Men? Gender, Sex & the Lifestyle

    October 7, 2026 · 1 hr 3 min

    Do women really want sex as much as men? Or have men and women been taught to think about sex so differently that we never really question the assumptions behind that question? Zack and Josie take a surprisingly deep dive into the…

  • Ep 78: How to Get Your Wife Into Swinging (Without Getting Divorced)

    September 23, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min

    What happens when one partner wants to explore the lifestyle and the other is a “hell no!”? In this entertaining and candid conversation, Zack and Josie are joined by Genie and Dr. G to explore a question that hits close to home for many…

  • Ep 77: You’re Not Wrong… and Neither Is She: Intimacy and Sex in the Lifestyle

    September 9, 2026 · 50 min

    Zack and Josie are on their own again as they tackle a listener’s difficult question about navigating the lifestyle when partners have very different ideas about intimacy, emotions, and what feels comfortable. Only three months into the…

  • Ep 76: Naughty N’awlins: Five Days of Play, Pleasure & Pushing the Limits

    August 26, 2026 · 49 min

    For the first time, Zack and Josie recorded an episode of Two Plus Two entirely on their own—and they had plenty to talk about. They share the highs and lows of their first Naughty N’awlins experience, an event they had heard only positive…

  • Ep 75: Taboo: Exploring the Lifestyle Despite Society’s Rules

    August 12, 2026 · 1 hr 8 min

    Genie and Dr. G join Zack and Josie for their first appearance on the podcast. For more than a decade, they have created lifestyle events designed to give couples—and eventually singles—a safe, discreet and inclusive place to explore their…

  • Ep 74: A Unicorn Finds Her Match: Community, Chemistry & Commitment

    July 29, 2026 · 1 hr 6 min

    Zack and Josie welcome new guests Rick and Gwen for a conversation about their unique journey navigating the lifestyle together. After meeting a little over a year ago, the two began building their connection while exploring how the…

  • Ep 73: Fairness: Biology, Boundaries & B******t

    July 15, 2026 · 58 min

    Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a spirited conversation about one of the most debated concepts in the lifestyle: fairness. From honoring commitments and navigating separate play to managing insecurities and expectations…

  • Ep 72: Lifestyle Parties: Chemistry, Connection and Rejection

    July 1, 2026 · 1 hr 0 min

    Brad and Jenni return to join Zack and Josie for a candid conversation about lifestyle parties, attraction, connection, and the many factors that shape our experiences. The couples explore their different approaches to the lifestyle and…