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About the show
Alex Sujong Laughlin has conversations with people about the ways they're redefining themselves, from major life changes to picking up new hobbies.
Be a try hard. We double dog dare you.
Created by Alex Sujong Laughlin and Defector Media.
Latest episodes
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She worked until her brain made her stop
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He left corporate for a socialist pirate ship
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When your side project becomes your identity
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The novel that took Alexander Chee 11 years to finish
August 24, 2026 · 36 minAlex Sujong Laughlin talks to LEGEND Alexander Chee about the process of writing, delivering, and taking back his novel, "The Queen of the Night." They talk about how he maintained confidence in his creative vision over the 11 years it…
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Morgan Jerkins on surviving New York without losing yourself
August 10, 2026 · 40 minAlex Sujong Laughlin talks to writer Morgan Jerkins about how she made the move to New York for her writing career, and how she's managed to protect her softness in the process. Episode transcript here: https://docs.goog…
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From baby trans to headlining the dance floor
July 27, 2026 · 38 minAlex Sujong Laughlin talks to Jazmine Green, aka CMD+Jazmine about how queer raves were the site of both her gender transition and her evolution into a musician and DJ. Episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/do…
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Anna Sale on how motherhood redefined her ambition | Try Hard Podcast | Defector Media
July 13, 2026 · 36 minAlex Sujong Laughlin talks to Death Sex & Money host Anna Sale about how becoming a parent affected her professional ambition.Episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DaTLT55h4dNUsdkSrrDyXnAArDDml0Y1r…
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Why is it so hard to make friends as an adult?
June 29, 2026 · 39 minAlex Sujong Laughlin talks to Aaron Edwards about how he's learned to make friends as an adult. Episode transcript here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GiG2tM-BxxQiE4mM4fDrtq7CWrTBaU3UBSHS4g_3j-8/edit?usp=sharing🏷️: making friends…