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Ep. 6: The North Korea Model
July 14, 2026 · 59 minNorth Korea has now successfully planted agents in companies over the world. And while businesses are getting better at flagging it, North Koreans still have to meet quota. Cybersecurity experts fear North Koreans will move to monetize…
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Ep. 5: The Heists
July 7, 2026 · 1 hr 1 minIn the decade after Sony, North Korea learned something fundamental: Destructive cyberattacks make headlines. Financial cyberattacks make money. One year after Sony, North Korea pulled off one of the most audacious bank heists in history…
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Ep. 4: The Sony Playbook
June 30, 2026 · 45 minIt’s been nearly 12 years since North Korea launched its crippling attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment over a Seth Rogen film. Most Americans remember the celebrity leaks, the embarrassing emails, the Hollywood spectacle of it all. What…
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Ep. 3: The Americans
June 23, 2026 · 54 minAll North Korean IT worker schemes hinge on one thing: a willing participant in America. We found one, and knocked on her door.Experts have dubbed some of these Americans “laptop farmers.” The North Koreans call them “facilitators”…
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Ep. 2: The Cell
June 16, 2026 · 57 minInfiltrating the infiltrators. For the first time ever, host and former lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times Nicole Perlroth partners with a team of private investigators as they infiltrate a North…
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Ep. 1: Strange Things Are Happening
June 9, 2026 · 54 minA new breed of worker is quietly clocking in across the United States. They’re writing code. Managing your passwords. Training the next generation of AI models. They’re gaining trust. And access. On paper, they’re the dream hire…
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Season 2 Trailer: An “inside-out” look at North Korea’s covert IT workforce
June 4, 2026 · 5 minTo Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll is a gripping investigative podcast exposing how thousands of North Korean operatives are quietly getting hired inside American companies, funneling millions back to the regime and its nuclear…
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OUT OF BAND | The Breaking Point: Inside Mythos' Zero-Day Machine with Anthropic's Nicholas Carlini
May 4, 2026 · 1 hr 16 minNicole Perlroth sits down with Nicholas Carlini for an Out of Band conversation on the imminent zero-day surge. Carlini explains what Mythos can already do: find and exploit flaws in some of the world’s most hardened, widely deployed…
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Ep 9: The New Frontline
May 29, 2025 · 1 hr 41 minColonial Pipeline was a warning shot. Now, Chinese hackers are inside the digital guts of hundreds of Colonial equivalents across the U.S.—power, water, transportation, and more. The question isn’t if they’re in. It’s why. And what happens…
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Ep 8: Living Off The Land
May 5, 2025 · 35 minCyber experts start getting called into electric, water, pipeline, railway, and transportation hubs around the country. Hackers have found a clever way to embed in these systems, using a small, unsuspecting device in everyday Americans’…
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Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once
April 28, 2025 · 46 minThe General Manager of an electric and water utility in Littleton, Mass. gets a surprise call from the FBI. At first he suspects the caller is a spammer, but soon he learns the agent is very real. Chinese hackers are lurking deep in his…
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Ep 6: The Gunslingers
April 14, 2025 · 33 minDuring China’s pseudo-cyber-hiatus, the PRC’s hacking operations get a major overhaul. CCP leadership moves responsibility away from the sloppy, brazen hackers at the People’s Liberation Army to the far more stealthy, and strategic…