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  • The Trump Administration Struggled With The Bar Exam And Its Inbox

    October 21, 2026 · 29 min

    It was a rough week for the Trump administration’s relationship with credentials… and email. New White House Press Secretary Katie Zacharia spent years on cable news billed as a “lawyer,” but there was no record of her being licensed…

  • Iron Curtain Descends On Biglaw Financials

    October 14, 2026 · 36 min

    Supreme Court auditions are just down the hall and to the extreme right. ----- That headline is a tad overdramatic, but Kirkland & Ellis did announce that it would no longer help journalists reporting on its financial strength. For…

  • Bird Watching: Hawks vs. Hawkeyes

    October 7, 2026 · 33 min

    And the inevitable -- if stupid -- return of Richard Nixon ----- In a display that could only be described as cartoonish, Senator Eric Schmitt thought he had Jack Smith dead to rights, before he tripped over himself and fell into a heap…

  • All The Court's A Stage And Trump Judges Merely Players

    September 30, 2026 · 29 min

    And the fashion police have too much time on their hands. ----- The Supreme Court finally put down the dead horse that the Eighth Circuit kept beating, ruling for the third time that Missouri can't impose an illegal gerrymander in time…

  • Weil Get You And... Then Maybe You'll Go To Cravath

    September 23, 2026 · 35 min

    And how AI and college sports are basically running the same terrible playbook. ----- More fallout from the big Weil departures. Joe and Kathryn talk about balancing business and why "values" is not necessarily the corporate speak…

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  • Law Firm Passive Aggressiveness On Parade

    September 16, 2026 · 35 min

    When you think of this firm, do you think 'smaller platform'? ----- Weil labels Cravath a "smaller platform" following partner departure, vaulting to the top of the leaderboard as the most passive aggressive statement a law firm has made…

  • Legal Catastrophes The Old-Fashioned Way

    September 9, 2026 · 23 min

    No generative AI required! ----- With AI hallucinations dominating the legal ethics headlines for years now, it's nice to see lawyers landing in hot water without having to rely on technology. For example, Holland & Knight got itself…

  • The ILTACON Wrap-Up

    September 3, 2026 · 39 min

    This episode is sponsored by Smith.ai. ----- Discussing what we learned about legal technology in Nashville. ----- The International Legal Technology Association conference broke its own attendance records as the legal world flocked to…

  • A Tribute, A Tactic, Or An Appellate Issue?

    August 26, 2026 · 27 min

    The murder trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Massachusetts mother accused of strangling her three young children, has spawned a courtroom subplot with real legal stakes: prosecutor Shanan Buckingham has spent weeks in Plymouth Superior Court in…

  • Luigi's Double Jeopardy Gamble And The DOJ's Complicity

    August 19, 2026 · 32 min

    Also, Yale Law School grads have a side chat to discuss their infamous classmates. ----- Luigi Mangione's lawyers say their client can't be tried for murder now that he's pleaded guilty to federal stalking charges. At issue is a…

  • Biglaw Surrenders Were Worse Than We Thought

    August 12, 2026 · 31 min

    Remember when Trump lost the birthright citizenship case? Because he doesn't. ----- Despite protestations that its deal with the Trump administration didn't forfeit the firm's independence, Paul Weiss reportedly seriously debated letting…

  • Will We Never Learn Our Lesson About The Bar Exam?

    August 5, 2026 · 35 min

    And summer bonuses have arrived. ----- The profession yet again forced law school graduates to take a closed-book doctrinal memory test to earn the right to perform a job where answering questions from memory constitutes malpractice…

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About the show

Thinking Like A Lawyer is a podcast featuring Above the Law's Joe Patrice, Kathryn Rubino, and Chris Williams. Each episode, the hosts will take a topic experienced and enjoyed by regular people, and shine it through the prism of a legal framework. This will either reveal an awesome rainbow of thought, or a disorienting kaleidoscope of issues. Either way, it should be fun.