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  • L.S. Lowry Had a Secret Full-Time Job

    June 12, 2026 · 39 min

    In this episode, Leslie Primo and James Payne take on the controversial legacy of L.S. Lowry, the painter of industrial Britain whose matchstick figures, factory chimneys and grey Manchester streets have become instantly recognisable — and…

  • Faith Ringgold Had No Choice About Being Political

    May 29, 2026 · 36 min

    Faith Ringgold made quilts, wrote children’s books, and became one of the most politically charged artists in American art. So, how did an artist who started her career with landscapes and flowers become a fierce critic of racism, sexism…

  • David Hockney refused to disguise his working class accent

    May 15, 2026 · 40 min

    Born in Bradford, UK, David Hockney never hid the parts of his identity that set him apart from his contemporaries - his accent, his sexuality, his manner of dress. His work frequently focuses on everyday pleasures, rather than grand…

  • Michelangelo Changed the Class of an Artist

    May 1, 2026 · 45 min

    In this episode of Primo and Payne: Great Art Explained, James Payne and Leslie Primo take a deep dive into the life and works of Michelangelo. Michelangelo had a complex relationship with social class in Renaissance Italy. Born into a…

  • J.M.W. Turner Was Pure Working Class

    April 17, 2026 · 42 min

    J.M.W. Turner was pure working class. So, how does the son of a barber from Covent Garden become known as one of art history's greatest painters? Turner didn't sound like his contemporaries at the Royal Academy, he broke all the rules of…

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  • The Art World Has a Class Problem

    April 17, 2026 · 38 min

    We like to believe that, no matter your background, artistic talent will always rise to the surface. Yet we know that while creativity is universal, access, platforms, connections, money and time are not. These structural barriers for…

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About the show

Structural barriers for working class artists begin early and compound over time. In this podcast, James Payne and Leslie Primo combine lived experience with cultural analysis to unpack the role of class in Art. Through the lives and works of working-class artists, James and Leslie explore the conditions that shaped their careers and legacies. By examining the art world's unspoken codes of conduct, cultural gatekeeping, and inherited access, the Primo and Payne: Great Art Explained podcast reframes some of history’s greatest art as a question of class rather than merit alone.